04 Apr 2022 21:54 with chiv%wolf.furnet.org@biboumi.nuegia.net

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[21:54:31]
\o/

Eyyyy you're back!

Tom	[22:01:06]
hi

you still there?

i need to talk to you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:07:33]
watching a movie at the moment, what's up?

Tom	[22:08:27]
oh

the folf shared with me a log

i assume you know what i'm reffering to

i also want to ask you, as i understood it folf shared with you my contact information but i never recieved anything from you

why?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:09:51]
The only email I have is my personal email address

So unfortunately sending an email wasn't exactly a viable option for privacy reasons from my end :/

Tom	[22:10:58]
couldn't you have set something up?

if it really mattered to you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:12:09]
Not anything that I had the time or ability to do in combination with work and such.

Tom	[22:12:23]
alright

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:12:40]
Seems like you were able to get things sorted with the furnet admins, though?

Tom	[22:12:45]
do you feel the same way archie and woob does and acted?

no, i didn't talk to them. my client just reconnected and it didn't immediately kick me off and knowing lymril and previous conversations with them, they probably just forgot about me

and it's not like after how they acted, i'm going to go and ask them about it

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:13:47]
So then you weren't banned?

Tom	[22:13:51]
no i was

from the entirety of furnet

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:14:16]
then how were you able to reconnect? Wouldn't someone have had to unban you?

Tom	[22:14:24]
I don't know

furnet's servers have been really unstable lately

losing data and netsplitting

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:14:49]
To be fair, losing a banlist isn't too common i don't think x3

Tom	[22:15:13]
I don't know

nobody said anything to me

it just started working again

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:15:43]
Well, I am glad you're back and have access again

Tom	[22:15:56]
you are?

it seems like most if not all people in #vore didn't give a shit about me

in fact, actively threatened to ban folf to talking about what was happening to me

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:16:55]
It's not that they didn't give a shit, Agris, but there's not exactly a way for people to override Furnet admin

Tom	[22:17:02]
and you was there when woob did that

vogelle even encouraged

gave woob blessing to do it

as well as some others

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:17:29]
and the reason he was threatened with a temp ban was because he brought it up, people talked about it, and then when the conversation was moving elsewhere, he started insulting people as if they didn't care

Tom	[22:17:53]
as if

from the logs i'm reading, they are admitting they don't

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:18:15]
The channel is not a personal soapbox

Agris the point was that there was nothing feasible that could be done

Tom	[22:18:29]
and they were innapropriately injecting rp in order to drown out the conversation

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:18:45]
that's a very colored take on it

Tom	[22:19:00]
well how do you feel about it?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:19:08]
it's an RP chat, ultimately, so that's what people are going to do there

Just like I mentioned at the time, not gonna up and pick up the whole channel and try to force everyone in there to move to a different server network, because you got banned by poking admin with a stick too many times and irritating them :/

Like it sucked, don't get me wrong, but the outcome of pretty much any action was just gonna be other folks getting banned from furnet too

Tom	[22:21:02]
you think talking about what happened to me would get you banned from furnet too?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:21:17]
trying to debate it with admin? yes.

Talking about it in the channel? It *was* talked about

It was discussed, people came to a conclusion, and then folks moved back to what they were doing once they concluded they couldn't do anything to change the situation

Tom	[22:22:54]
so that's it then

doesn't matter whats happening to your peers

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:23:16]
What's anyone going to do about it, Agris?

hack the server?

Nobody in there has any actual control over furnet, nor do they know personally any of the people who run it

Tom	[22:24:10]
if you see something horrible happen to your friends from an admin, and it doesn't seem like the admin is reasonable or sane

talk about moving somewhere else where your peers are going to be banished or abused

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:24:32]
it's a channel on an IRC network. It's like asking the president of chess club to do something when one of the kids in it gets a suspension

nobody's going to move to a different server, Agris

Tom	[22:25:18]
it's like moving the chess club to a different reseraunt as adaults when the owner of the place your normally hang out at spits in your friend's cofee

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:25:23]
that's like asking everyone to move to a different school because you yelled at a teacher and got detention

Tom	[22:25:49]
so i deserved what happening to me is what your saying? is that right?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:26:19]
Agris, I don't know the exact conversation you had with admin

so I don't know if you deserve it or not

Tom	[22:26:30]
there was no conversation

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:26:45]
he just randomly banned you out of the blue, with no warning whatsoever?

Tom	[22:26:48]
but how can you just assume that anyways?

well

have you actually had any interaction with the furnet admins yourself?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:27:20]
No

literally 0

Tom	[22:27:25]
ok

well

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:27:31]
Because there's literally no reason to

Tom	[22:27:34]
that makes this a little more understandable then

chiv

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:27:51]
So what I'm hearing is you did have a conversation with admin

Tom	[22:27:58]
yes

and several of my friends

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:28:02]
Okay, well, there it is then

Tom	[22:28:15]
there what is?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:28:17]
you poked the bear

Tom	[22:28:26]
chiv

let me ask you this

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:28:37]
legitimately nothing good ever comes from poking admins on a server like this

Tom	[22:28:39]
do you care about me?

WOULD it matter to you if I was killed tommarrow, or banished forever, or for some other reason you could never talk to me again

or would you just brush it off "eh, sucks but whatever"

chiv%wolf.furnet.org

[22:30:16]

Agris, you're an acquaintance who's company I enjoy, yes. But beyond that, I *literally don't know who you are.* I know you as an arctic/fennec fox hybrid that's into some of the same stuff I am, that I met on a channel dedicated to said subject. I don't know what you enjoy outside of that, I don't know how old you are, I don't know literally anything about you beyond those first facts that I noted.

Tom	[22:30:54]
i'm 23

no wait

i'm old enough i forget how old i am

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:31:43]
It would suck to not be able to talk to you again, yes, but unfortunately I don't know you well enough to go tearing through hell and high water to find out what happened

Tom	[22:31:43]
anyways;

then we need to setup some other way to contact each other without furnet

please

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:32:32]
I mean do you use telegram or discord at all?

Tom	[22:32:47]
and i'd like to explain to you, as well as have several of my friend show you what's going on

what furnet is doing

and bad things are

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:33:03]
I asked about those and Squeaky gave me an email, which I'm not using

Tom	[22:33:16]
I don't have telergram or discord

I have xmpp and a telephone number

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:33:29]
Honestly, agris, I really don't care what's going on with Furnet and the way the servers are being run or so on

Tom	[22:33:41]
you should care it's really important

and it's really hurting me

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:34:01]
I barely poke my head into IRC as is, and if it poofed, while it'd suck, most of my other socialization occurs elsewhere

Tom	[22:34:21]
well

i guess i'm fucked then

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:34:43]
Agris this entire place is a furry RP server, it should not be anything core or central to your existence

Tom	[22:34:51]
you won't act because you don't know what's going on, you don't have the perspective to see what's going on

and you won't give me the time of day to show you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:35:11]
Agris it's an RP server

Tom	[22:35:19]
WHAT"S HAPPENING TO ME ISN'T ISOLATED TO FURNET CHIV!

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:35:20]
what going on here actually matters?

Tom	[22:35:32]
they are literalyl following me around the internet for months

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:35:34]
I know about the issues of you being stalked and harrassed elsewhere, you've told me about it

Tom	[22:35:37]
a whole year

the behavior and responses I got back you should know about and see

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:36:10]
But legitimately what am I going to do about that, Agris?

Again: I am not moving the entire vore channel because someone has a personal vendetta against you

Tom	[22:36:34]
just listen to what i have to show you, please

Tom	[22:39:26]
maybe i should just go

nobody here gives a shit about each other to give them the light of day

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:40:01]
Agris, what do you expect them to do?

Tom	[22:40:17]
them?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:40:19]
This is a chatroom. people show up here because they're tired after work and just want to casually chat with friendly people

Tom	[22:41:06]
guess that's all that matters to them

getting their rocks off after work

and if someone stops providing that, well their just worthless

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:41:57]
It's not that they're worthless, but that's what the channel is for, Agris

it's like walking into a taco bell and asking why nobody there cares about the war in ukraine

it's not that they don't care

Tom	[22:42:26]
why do you want to remain so oblivious to your own peers being smacked around in the background?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:42:30]
but you're in a random mcdonalds in the middle of, idunno, idaho

what are they going to do about it?

Tom	[22:42:46]
they don't have to do anything about it

they just have to understand what's going on and why

you

actually not they

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:43:06]
They do

Tom	[22:43:14]
you as in the chanop

moderator of this community

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:43:22]
Squeaky told everyone

Agris, I've told you before

I don't moderate the channel

I'm literally there as a deadman switch

Tom	[22:43:49]
you hold a considerable position in this community

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:43:53]
it's really the only reason I still bother keeping the IRC client running

Tom	[22:43:54]
wether you know it or not

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:44:12]
If I were not in that position, I likely would not have reinstalled the client after migrating to my new computer

Tom	[22:44:25]
*sigh(

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:44:32]
I've got too many other things going on in my life at the moment to delve into moderating a server channel

Tom	[22:44:35]
i can't do this alone, especially not wirght now

Tom	[22:46:16]
who does?

who does moderate the channel chiv?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:48:25]
You can ask Rubah if you want something done there

But legitimately, what are you asking be done, Agris?

Tom	[22:48:42]
literally nothing

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:48:49]
Then what are you upset about?

Tom	[22:48:52]
i just want people to understand what i'm going through

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:48:58]
People understand

they were told

they know

Tom	[22:49:09]
and i want people to understand why it's important to not call furnet home

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:49:17]
you don't need to keep rubbing their faces in it like you're trying to teach a dog not to pee on the carpet

they know

nobody else does

Tom	[22:49:38]
and then i want them to accept my solution which is an escape plan off of furnet

a technical transition

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:49:47]
Agris, none of them care about going elsewhere

Tom	[22:50:03]
you don't know

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:50:13]
Agris, it's been brought up

Tom	[22:50:14]
you spent the earlier portion of this chat saying you don't know, you've never talked to the admin

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:50:15]
ask in the channel if you want

Tom	[22:50:23]
and folf didn't say much of anything

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:50:25]
I am not talking to the server admin

Tom	[22:50:33]
DO NOT talk to the server admin

at least not without hearing what's happening to me first and seeing the logs

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:50:52]
Agris

again

we already know

Squeaky already told everyone what happened

you are assuming everyone else puts *far* more weight on this channel than they do

it is a channel of 26 people that is dead 90% of the time

Tom	[22:51:51]
squeaky didn't say much of anyting

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:52:00]
He said enough that people got the picture

and then he stormed off because he was upset we weren't trying to up and move the whole channel elsewhere

which, again, *is not happening*

Tom	[22:52:31]
no because woob threatened to do ""administrative action"" on him

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:52:37]
You already talked to Rubah about moving it once, as she mentioned while squeaky was here

Tom	[22:52:37]
and others encouraged it

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:52:50]
That's because he literally refused to let the topic of conversation move on

you cannot hold the entire channel hostage as a personal soapbox

Tom	[22:53:20]
oh

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:53:23]
Yes, it sucked, everyone was aware, people were glad to know they at least knew what happened to you

Tom	[22:53:24]
so now your moderating

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:53:30]
but after that, the channel is for RP'ing

Tom	[22:53:33]
no your not aware

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:53:49]
I did not threaten him with a ban, Agris, nor did I encourage anyone to do so

Tom	[22:53:58]
your choosing to remain ignorant

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:54:02]
but I understand what "rules," as such, that he was breaking

Tom	[22:54:19]
you won't even allow me to explain it to you

and your claiming you know everything

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:54:36]
What am I ignorant of, agris? That you have someone after you that's banning you? That furnet's netcode is trash? That the servers themselves are slowly going down one by one?

sorry, *getting you banned,* not banning you themselves

Tom	[22:54:55]
yes

it's not just 'someone'

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:55:13]
To me they're just someone

I don't know them personally

Tom	[22:55:23]
furnet's netcode is irrelvant

hold on

your putting me on the spot

i'm trying to schedule a time when we all can explain it to you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:55:43]
What is it you're saying I don't know, agris

Tom	[22:56:11]
i can answer that if you'd schedule a time to have me explain it to you with the help of my friends and logs

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:56:15]
I'm not scheduling a meeting with you to discuss what's wrong with furnet

Tom	[22:56:16]
and we organized it off furnet

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:56:26]
i have enough meetings at fucking work

I am not treating #vore as another job, agris, I've got enough of those as is

Tom	[22:56:47]
fine

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:56:56]
TL;DR it

Tom	[22:57:14]
i literally can't

we'll just have to write an article about it and share it with you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:57:35]
Then you're not going to get anybody in the channel to care about it, Agris

people aren't going to read an article about it

Tom	[22:57:43]
you know chiv

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:57:59]
If you can't condense it into some sort of abstract, synopsis, or so on

you *literally* will not be able to get them to care

Tom	[22:58:10]
if you really don't give a shit about the communities you moderate, you should give it to someone who does

like me

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:58:18]
hell no

The last people that should have moderation powers? Are those who want it.

That's how you get power-tripping admins who think they know what's best for everyone

Tom	[22:59:18]
like rubah

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[22:59:19]
works great in politics, see the US over the past 10 or so years

Rubah didn't ask to be an admin either

Tom	[23:00:24]
maybe we should just give it to the people who wouldn't be on irc even if it wasn't for some 'deadman switch' who uphold bullying against people like shentino because their scared of someone who hasn't shown their face here in... almost a decade now?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:00:44]
Oh my god are you seriously bringing up Shentino?

Tom	[23:00:54]
because their too afraid of retaliation from ... harney?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:01:00]
The guy tried to guilt trip me into unbanning him, I'm not doing that,.

There are other people beside him in the channel that remember him, and when I asked about him, similarly said to not let him back in.

Tom	[23:01:28]
right... not a moderator except when you are

look

i'm sorry

i don't want this conversation to get this heated

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:01:52]
I'm a moderator when people poke me about it directly

Tom	[23:01:54]
that's not my intention

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:02:16]
I literally cannot ignore someone poking me to ask them to review their banning, nor will I.

But if they ask, and I ask the community what they think, and they say no? Guess what my answer's gonna be?

I'm not a dictator, I'm going to ask folks in the channel

Moving was brought up, and was immediately shot down by everyone present

end of story on it

Tom	[23:03:02]
maybe you shouldn't exclude and ostracize people based on public opinion

that really rubbed me the wrong way

i asked around too

whatever happened, it was so minor and it happened years ago

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:03:32]
You're asking me to let someone into a semi-private channel, with people that seemingly don't like them... why?

how is this beneficial?

other than irritating multiple people for the sake of one other person I don't know?

Tom	[23:04:11]
just to be clear i'm not asking you. shentino told me they don't care about this place anymore. i was just using it as an example

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:04:34]
Then why do you, and he, and someone else, keep asking?

if he really doesn't care that much?

why are you the *third* person to poke me about it?

Tom	[23:05:01]
for the sake of treating banishment and ostracism like the extremely harash nuclear button that it is and keeping bans for decades

who needs to be banned for decades?

what if that was me, i think to myself

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:05:31]
Obviously he ticked people off enough that they decided temp bans weren't cutting it anymore

Tom	[23:05:48]
MLK ticked a lot of people off too

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:06:04]
Agris

Tom	[23:06:05]
so do the homeless people i see on the street

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:06:09]
Shentino is not fucking MLK

And you have literally just lost all credibility by making that comparison

Tom	[23:06:38]
I think you have a higher standard to be held to as a moderator

is what i'm saying

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:06:56]
Agris

Tom	[23:07:00]
that's higher than 'a couple people kinda don't like someone for dubious reasons so well banish them

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:07:09]
i'm a moderator for a fucking chat where people type-fuck about eating each other

look at the context

Tom	[23:07:12]
look i'm not pushing getting shentino unbanned

i'm just saying it rubs me really wrong how you handled that

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:07:24]
>channel about eating people

>literally anything else in the world is more important than this

* Tom takes a quick breather

[23:07:56]

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:08:00]
there are so many other places to go talk to people about that

many

that's the beauty of the internet

Go on f-list

furaffinity

discord

this is 1 channel out of *hundreds of thousands* of places and ways to talk to people about this subject

Tom

[23:10:15]

it's a community of people with a common interest group. It doesn't matter what the interest is, if it's ham radio, or furry vore, or sci-fi writing, dnd, nerd stuff. People are there because they like something and they are passionate about it. It really doesn't matter what medium it's over if it's a club meeting at a church, a table at a furcon, an irc channel, a telephone part line, a mailing list. what matters is that there are people at the other end of that line

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:10:39]
passionate is potentially a strong word for a lot of people there, Agris

They have an interest in it, yes

Tom	[23:10:52]
those places you mentioned above really aren't practical options for far too many reason i have to get into right now

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:10:55]
that doesn't mean it's a core hobby or component of their life

Agris they work fine for the 99%

You don't trust telegram's security? Fine that's your choice, but that doesn't mean the option isn't there for everyone else

Tom	[23:11:55]
first that number is much lower than you think and secondly, PFFT and fuck the rest of the percenters?

i literally cannot get a telegram account

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:12:23]
Your average, every day person doesn't care about the technical reasons why xyz is vastly inferior to ABC method of technological communication

Tom	[23:12:40]
I don't have my telephone service through one of the two country duopoly providers

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:12:51]
Is XYZ easy to use? Yes? They're gonna use it

Tom	[23:12:57]
and telegram decided because of that, it's not good enough

also

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:13:15]
You can use telegram with a google phone number

Tom	[23:13:26]
it's not pratical to have 99 fucking chat apps that all do more or less the same thing

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:13:40]
You're right, I have two I actually use, Discord and Telegram

Tom	[23:13:46]
some of my friends ar blind are need special accomodations

they don't fit into your one size fits all download this app

does that mean they should be exluded from being able to communicate with people?

does that mean they should be able to join clubs?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:14:35]
No, that's on developers to work on accessibility features and such. For example, screen readers, which things like telegram work with

Tom	[23:15:00]
right

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:15:34]
Unfortunately the modern era of technology, being primarily screen based, is not the friendliest for people with poor vision. It's a cruel reality of the world right now, and I'm always happy to see when there's new tech that comes out, like tactile LCDs, to potentially remedy that issue

But unfortunately the vast majority of the 99%? Are not going to care about the 1% having issues

Tom	[23:16:07]
beg and please the $proprietary_instant_messaging_fad_app_of_the_year's developers give a shit about my specific problems i'm having or my friend's specific problems i'm having, especially if i'm part of that 1% and then even if they do, have whatever they did undone in the next major update or the next shift to the next fad platform of the year

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:16:12]
just look at the state of the world right now :/

Tom	[23:16:20]
these are problems I solved

these are problems i've dealt with

and my friends dealt with

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:16:37]
>care about random channel on an RP server

Tom	[23:16:38]
and we found the solutions for

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:16:47]
>care about the inflation that's putting me on the brink of starvation

* Tom hugs

[23:17:07]

* Tom hugs you

[23:17:11]

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:17:16]
That's the kind of thing people are dealing with. They're coming here to relax and decompress, not fight yet another battle, agris

Tom	[23:17:40]
let me fight that battle chiv

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:17:46]
That's why people in the channel aren't going to do anything. You're walking into the massage parlor and asking people to fight against child slavery in africa

they're not here for that

Tom	[23:18:04]
no i'm not

that's a garbage analogy and a misunderstanding

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:18:46]
Then what are you asking people to do, agris?

you keep saying nothing

but then saying you have a whole article of things, and how you want people to move off furnet

that's not nothing

that's wanting people to move off furnet

Tom	[23:19:12]
i'm saying "here's a problem, here's a solution, please take some time to understand and make the right decision, let me know if there is any other way to accomodate your specific problems"

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:19:26]
which was already discussed, and people said "Frankly, can't be arsed"

You're trying to solve a problem that, for people that are in the channel that are active, doesn't affect them

Tom	[23:20:09]
well

for one

i'm just asking for some sympathy

and here you are

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:20:28]
Agris you have my sympathy

Tom	[23:20:32]
putting me on the spot right after being abused

expecting me to lay out some master plan in front of you right here right now

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:20:49]
but you and squeaky keep trying to make it out like I'm not feeling bad enough for you, and that's just not satisfactory

Tom	[23:20:52]
before you even know what the problem is

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:20:56]
I'm not asking for a master plan, agris

because, as I mentioned, there's not a problem that is preventing people in that channel from doing what they're there to do

the only person, currently, who's had an issue with the server is you

Tom	[23:21:57]
fuck me then

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:21:58]
And this is after you went and directly poked the admins of the network

not from anything that happened in #vore

so as far as people in #vore are concerned, it's literally not their problem

Tom	[23:22:34]
here we go again with all these FUCKING accuzations when you don't even know what's going on and you SHUT me down when i offer to explain it

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:22:50]
If you did something in #vore, and then got banned? Then yes, people would probably care more

Agris i'm not accusing you of anything, other than stating you talked with admin.

This is not a case of rampant admin abuse, people are not getting banned left and right

Tom	[23:24:06]
people are

that's LITERALLY what's happening right now

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:24:42]
How many of them are from #vore?

Tom	[23:25:09]
how many need to be before you'll be open to hearing about it?

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:25:10]
Because I can tell you: All of the folks that generally talk in the channel? Are still there.

Agris that's not an answer, that's a sidestep

Tom	[23:25:26]
no

what your doing is a sidestep

what's happening to me doesn't matter

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:25:43]
No, I asked a question, and you tried to respond with another question

Tom	[23:25:47]
your saying what's happening to me isn' enough

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:25:47]
that's not answering, that's a sidestep

Tom	[23:25:52]
so i'm asking you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:25:55]
correct, you are 1 datapoint

Tom	[23:25:56]
how much is enough

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:26:05]
and a very biased one at that

Tom	[23:26:21]
alright chib

you know what

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:26:26]
I can't give you an exact answer, but it's more than 1

Tom	[23:26:33]
since i'm just a statistic to you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:26:42]
Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern is my general modus

Tom	[23:26:49]
since nobody in here seems to give a shit about each other

or the channel

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:26:57]
You're not a statistic to me, and it's not people not giving a shit agris

Tom	[23:27:01]
or your peers

maybe is should just go

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:27:15]
but you are literally the only person known in that channel, who's been banned.

by furnet admins

that does not make it suddenly a channel problem, that makes it a *you* problem for the time being

Tom	[23:27:45]
and your intent to keep your ignorance that way and blame it on others

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:27:57]
what am I ignorant of, agris?

tell me the number then

how many people in that channel, that are active, have been banned by furnet administration?

Tom	[23:29:45]
your sick

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:30:15]
What's the answer, agris, instead of personally insulting me?>

Tom	[23:30:16]
enjoy your little corner of sociopathic apathy

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:31:13]
I get the feeling this is similar to your conversation with furnet admin, which is why you wound up banned for "immature" :/ Surprisingly, insulting people doesn't actually win people to your side, Agris.

I do sincerely hope you have a better rest of your evening, but I strongly suggest a good evaluation of your priorities on what things do and don't matter in life. Because a vore channel on a random furry network should not be one you lose sleep over.

Tom	[23:33:51]
your so dense

i'm sorry

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:34:03]
And back to insulting

Tom	[23:34:10]
i don't know any other way to say that

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:34:27]
Agris I'm not dense, it's that I know how to read social cues.

Tom	[23:34:47]
you have this idea of what's going on

that's wrong btw

completely off

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:35:01]
And every time I ask you to give me one piece of information

you say you can't

but i'm wrong

Tom	[23:35:29]
when i offer to you refuse

when i say ok i'll write an arcticle then

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:35:43]
I asked for a piece, Agris

Tom	[23:35:48]
LOL nobody's going to read an article agris

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:35:49]
not the entire caked jammed down my throat

A research paper has a synopsis

an abstract

something short to get the gist of why people should care

I'm asking you to give me that

if you're going to block dump a bunch of technical info in an article, then I guaruntee you that, yes, nobody is going to read that, because you haven't given them a reason to

If you cannot express the info you have concisely, you have a communication issue you need to resolve first before anybody will pay attention

we live in an era of short attention spans where people convey news articles in a tweet of 256 characters

I am asking for you to give me a summary

Tom	[23:38:24]
i have a summary for you

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:38:40]
Okay, what is it:?\

Tom	[23:40:15]
I don't want to surround myself with people who's attention span is that of 256 characters, and abandon their peers when something happens to them and they aren't able to provide you pleasure anymore. Where something terrible can happen to the people around them and their able to just move on just like that

and who's emotions and interactions are disengenuous

who think that's a virtue

peers who my emotions needs to be condensed down into a tweet for them to be paletable

else i get pushed away

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:43:11]
agris, there's your problem, you're turning it into an emotional issue

Tom	[23:44:06]
goodbye chiv

chiv%wolf.furnet.org	[23:44:17]
if it's an emotional issue, then from the objective standpoint of the channel, it doesn't matter. Are you close personal friends with Kyvern, for example?