Kamare yips, "Hey Agris." say hello You yip, "hello" Patashu rar @ Agris Kamare perks at Chevesh. "Can the rest of us come?" Chevesh waves to Agris! She's currently being mauled by an imp. pose smiles Agris smiles Kamare yips, "Or do you want us to wait for the Big Reveal?" say sounds very fun You yip, "sounds very fun" Niny'ah makes mock-growly noises, and pretends to bite at Chevesh's nose. page patashu=hey patashu, would now be a good time to talk about it? You page, "hey patashu, would now be a good time to talk about it?" to Patashu. [Moriar just looked in your direction! ( Husky-Crow Gryphons (They/Them))] Niny'ah says, "I think I know what it is, and I think I'll doa Big Reveal" Chevesh splays an ear at Kamare's query, and shrugs. "I mean, I don't mind. But it might be changed, depending on what Niny thinks of it. So up to her." She rolls over onto her back, purring, and looks alarmed at the bite as her tail lashes, returning with a lick to Niny's face. Chevesh purrs, "Yeah, doe a big reveal." Kamare nods to Nin. "Alrighty. Don't take too long." Niny'ah :3c Chevesh offers to let Niny'ah walk along with her. Mako says, "Now you got me curious" Niny'ah decides to walk along with Chevesh. who The players awake here are Agris, Chevesh, Skai, Patashu, Kamare, Mako, Niny'ah, and Moriar. The idlers here are Rielle[34m], and Vahno[28m]. Only Ganet is asleep here. The only puppet here is Speers Errand Chevesh leaves for Synth Mechanization/Construction Lab. Chevesh has left. Niny'ah has left. Chevesh leaves, with Niny'ah walking along with her. Capricious-Proxy says, "Delightfully ominous." Moriar cheeps friendily at Agris' arrival, the gryphons still happily collected in a bowl on the floor. Kamare yips, "Well, I can't wait to find out what this is." page patashu=everyone seems to be in a good mood You page, "everyone seems to be in a good mood" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Sure - so I talked with Voksa and found the actual inciting incident. Apparently sometime ago (pre-muck), you misinterpreted Voksa's mastodon incident not federating with yours as Voksa deliberately excluding you, and DMed them non-stop every day for months after being asked to stop and through blocks. Does that ring a bell?" to you. page patashu=no that's not what happened You page, "no that's not what happened" to Patashu. page patashu=I talked with ping about it some, so i'm not completely in the dark as i was before that. You page, "I talked with ping about it some, so i'm not completely in the dark as i was before that." to Patashu. Patashu pages, "What happened, then?" to you. page patashu=I trying to ask them to get in touch with their network operator which talking to ping Voksa thought was the same as asking them to join some server which isn't the same thing. Voksa than said said something about the server operators using 8chan and them being bad people. I told them I used that site at one point and was trying to talk to them about what that has to do with this and they just disconnected from the entire irc network without saying anything. You page, "I trying to ask them to get in touch with their network operator which talking to ping Voksa thought was the same as asking them to join some server which isn't the same thing. Voksa than said said something about the server operators using 8chan and them being bad people. I told them I used that site at one point and was trying to talk to them about what that has to do with this and they just disconnected from the entire irc network without saying anything." to Patashu. page patashu=they told ping that i was spamming them 'test' a bunch of times after that. That isn't true either. IRC doesn't have presence so when you want to see when someone's online you have to send something to them and get a error from the server saying the nick doesn't exist You page, "they told ping that i was spamming them 'test' a bunch of times after that. That isn't true either. IRC doesn't have presence so when you want to see when someone's online you have to send something to them and get a error from the server saying the nick doesn't exist" to Patashu. page patashu=also, I wasn't getting any reponse back from the just silence including common channels so i assumed there was something wrong with the communication chanel and did more testing You page, "also, I wasn't getting any reponse back from the just silence including common channels so i assumed there was something wrong with the communication chanel and did more testing" to Patashu. page patashu=that is how i remember it. I can't find the logs from all the way back You page, "that is how i remember it. I can't find the logs from all the way back" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Aha, so this was on IRC, not on Masto, at this point" to you. page patashu=yeah, I was trying to leave a comment on their art on masto like i always had been which i wasn't sure if they were getting or not, so I reached out to them on IRC since that's where i initially met them. at least i think. I knew them before masto You page, "yeah, I was trying to leave a comment on their art on masto like i always had been which i wasn't sure if they were getting or not, so I reached out to them on IRC since that's where i initially met them. at least i think. I knew them before masto" to Patashu. Rielle has disconnected. page patashu=I think I initially met them in #vore on furnet, though we do have mutual friends so it could have been before that You page, "I think I initially met them in #vore on furnet, though we do have mutual friends so it could have been before that" to Patashu. page patashu=i roleplayed with them a few times You page, "i roleplayed with them a few times" to Patashu. Capricious-Proxy says, "Patashu! I have a question." Patashu rumbles, "Shoot!" page patashu=they also told ping they they thought I was harassing them, and they thought i came on spindizzy to harass them which couldn't be farther from the truth. When I came on spindizzy i didn't even know they were here until I i found them in the observatory and all i said to them was hello You page, "they also told ping they they thought I was harassing them, and they thought i came on spindizzy to harass them which couldn't be farther from the truth. When I came on spindizzy i didn't even know they were here until I i found them in the observatory and all i said to them was hello" to Patashu. Capricious-Proxy says, "What is your favorite color... *other than purple and gold*?" who The players awake here are Agris, Skai, and Patashu. The idlers here are Vahno[43m], Kamare[15m], Mako[5m], and Moriar[15m]. The sleepers here are Rielle, and Ganet. The only puppet here is Speers Errand Patashu rumbles, "Red and silver come next." Capricious-Proxy says, "Ohh. Cool." page patashu=can we go somewhere private? You page, "can we go somewhere private?" to Patashu. page patashu=with voksa You page, "with voksa" to Patashu. Vahno has disconnected. Patashu pages, "Hang on; typing, and also relatives are coming over IRL so I might go AFK before I can finish :B" to you. Vahno has connected. page patashu=rather than privately paging each other, i don't think having you have to relay everything i saw is good You page, "rather than privately paging each other, i don't think having you have to relay everything i saw is good" to Patashu. Capricious-Proxy says, "Vahno! Hello." page patashu=i don't like this standing in the same room as each other but whispering everything to you. it's shady and it's rude You page, "i don't like this standing in the same room as each other but whispering everything to you. it's shady and it's rude" to Patashu. Moriar peers out from the bowl, to emit a radio ping towards Agris. Vahno pats a faux. Capricious Proxy bumps snout into Vahno paws. Prrb. page patashu=this is really important to me You page, "this is really important to me" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Okay, so here's the synthesis of the information so far, from my perspective: Voksa and Agris were friends who met through IRC. You later found out about Voksa's mastodon and followed along there, but due to a defederation issue couldn't interact with Voksa via mastodon. You approach Voksa on IRC to ask Voksa to fix the problem (my guess of how the conversation went was: You asked Voksa to go to Voksa's mastodon instance operator and ask the operator to re-federate with Agris's instance. Voksa didn't want to do this, both because it wasn't Voksa's obligation and due to having moral objections (I'm guessing that the instance you were on was run by shady 8chan-related folks, so both Voksa didn't like the instance in the first place and felt the defederation was warranted and unlikely to be overturned). Voksa therefore told Agris that they wouldn't do this and to stop asking for it. Agris continued to push for it happening. Voksa saw that Agris was ignoring a direct request to drop the subject, and started blocking/ghosting you. Agris didn't get the hint, and assumed maybe Voksa was just having connection issues or otherwise playing hard to get. While the limitations of IRC are unfortunate, sending context-free messages to someone with no explanation as to why to test if they're online or not to someone who's blocking/ghosting you only compounds the initial reason why they're blocking/ghosting in the first place. There was no actual technical problem - you were being ignored because Voksa was not interested in talking with you further due to the kinds of conversations you were engaging in. If you do want to make amends, then the first step is to realize that even though you had no conscious or explicit intent to, this does count as harassment - someone who's cut contact with you after you've repeatedly tried to get them to do something probably has a good reason. So you'd have to realize you made a mistake and repent for it." to you. page patashu=first correct, we were already both on mastodon and in fact have a mutual follow You page, "first correct, we were already both on mastodon and in fact have a mutual follow" to Patashu. page ptashu=*first correction I don't recognize the player named "ptashu" page patashu=first correction You page, "first correction" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Did you move to a defederated instance or it got defederated after you were already mutual followed? (I think the outcome is the same either way, just in case you wanted to clear it up)" to you. page patashu=when i approached them i wasn't even sure if there was a problem or not so i was trying to test and verify if they were getting my messages at all or if they were being lost to the ether somehow You page, "when i approached them i wasn't even sure if there was a problem or not so i was trying to test and verify if they were getting my messages at all or if they were being lost to the ether somehow" to Patashu. page patashu=I had to move to a new instanced not by my choice You page, "I had to move to a new instanced not by my choice" to Patashu. In a page-pose to you, Patashu nods, got it! page patashu=I asked them only after finding out if it really was a federation issue. and after that I asked them to contact their operator because I couldn't because federation was broken why if it was intentional to to try and resolve the issue You page, "I asked them only after finding out if it really was a federation issue. and after that I asked them to contact their operator because I couldn't because federation was broken why if it was intentional to to try and resolve the issue" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Yes, I didn't assume otherwise. And then Voksa told you that the defederation was warranted and not something they were interested in fighting to change, and it sounds like you continued to insist." to you. Vahno says, "Heheh." Capricious-Proxy says, "How's it going?" page patashu=voksa didn't say that. they just said some conspiracy theory about 8chan and then complete silence when i said 8 used 8chan too and was trying to talk to them about that. There's nothing shady about the people who run my instance You page, "voksa didn't say that. they just said some conspiracy theory about 8chan and then complete silence when i said 8 used 8chan too and was trying to talk to them about that. There's nothing shady about the people who run my instance" to Patashu. page patashu=they disconnected from the irc server about it with no warning, so I assumed their internet dropped out or something You page, "they disconnected from the irc server about it with no warning, so I assumed their internet dropped out or something" to Patashu. page patashu=they never told me to stop asking for it. just disconnected and silence You page, "they never told me to stop asking for it. just disconnected and silence" to Patashu. page patashu=and by that point i was just trying to clear up some ... another wild accusation conspiracy theory they probably had about me You page, "and by that point i was just trying to clear up some ... another wild accusation conspiracy theory they probably had about me" to Patashu. page patashu=I tried to restablish contact with them after i assumed their internet dropped out You page, "I tried to restablish contact with them after i assumed their internet dropped out" to Patashu. page patashu=there was no out of context messages. also, we talked pretty regularly before that so a sudden dropoff out of nowehere was weird. the messages i sent were 'test' which only warrents a test received You page, "there was no out of context messages. also, we talked pretty regularly before that so a sudden dropoff out of nowehere was weird. the messages i sent were 'test' which only warrents a test received" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Because I've been there before, as a conflict averse person: Sometimes when I don't have the emotional energy to handle a stressful conversation with someone, I just kind of drop out and ghost it because it's the only thing I *can* do in the moment. To be explicit, I don't know which of the following situations are true, since no one has logs: 1) Voksa did ask you to stop and you forgot that it happened. 2) Voksa thought they asked you to stop, but it was only asked implicitly and you didn't pick up on the hint. - But given all the information you have now, don't you think it's likely that what you thought was an internet glitch and then an inability for Voksa to pick up on your DMs was Voksa signalling that they were not interested in talking to you about this anymore and you not picking up on this cue and continuing to insist on having the conversation?" to you. page patashu=I had no idea they were blocking me You page, "I had no idea they were blocking me" to Patashu. page patashu=i had no idea they were blocking me until a few weeks ago You page, "i had no idea they were blocking me until a few weeks ago" to Patashu. page patashu=no, I thought they just went offline for a while since i didn't see them in the usual channels. Also if your going to stop talking to someone you have an obligation to tell them so they don't assume something bad happened especially if they are an aquantance. Also, While I had assumed the mastodon blocking thing was a blanket block on a whole domain, not me. Which i still believe. I never assumed that there was a blocking on IRC. I forgot about it for a while but remembered a few times and attempted to follow up and test if voksa was back online again every few weeks. I had assumed at that point they were going through some life things and quit irc since i hadn't seen much activity of them online either You page, "no, I thought they just went offline for a while since i didn't see them in the usual channels. Also if your going to stop talking to someone you have an obligation to tell them so they don't assume something bad happened especially if they are an aquantance. Also, While I had assumed the mastodon blocking thing was a blanket block on a whole domain, not me. Which i still believe. I never assumed that there was a blocking on IRC. I forgot about it for a while but remembered a few times and attempted to follow up and test if voksa was back online again every few weeks. I had assumed at that point they were going through some life things and quit irc since i hadn't seen much activity of them online either" to Patashu. page patashu=and also since they apologized to me before for irrational accusations they made about me in the #vore chat and told me they just got out of an abusive home, so i just assumed they were taking a break from the internet to relax. They didn't strike me as they type to care a whole lot about freedom either so i assumed they went back to telegram of facebook or something, which i have no intention of going to. I did however leave their website in my feed reader, since i enjoy their writing You page, "and also since they apologized to me before for irrational accusations they made about me in the #vore chat and told me they just got out of an abusive home, so i just assumed they were taking a break from the internet to relax. They didn't strike me as they type to care a whole lot about freedom either so i assumed they went back to telegram of facebook or something, which i have no intention of going to. I did however leave their website in my feed reader, since i enjoy their writing" to Patashu. page patashu=so when I saw them here and I said "hello" i was surprised to see them online You page, "so when I saw them here and I said "hello" i was surprised to see them online" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "I agree that it's optimal to tell someone you're ghosting them (and again, I don't know if Voksa did say and you forgot, or implied and you missed, or just went cold turkey and you misinterpreted. It sounds like it's 3 but I don't know and there's no logs). It's true that your behaviour at the time is consistent with your belief that Voksa was not ghosting you and was still interested in talking to you. However, you now know differently . What would it take for you to realize that you made a mistake and be willing to apologize for Voksa for misinterpreting the situation? Note that if you say 'I was right then and I'm still right now, I won't apologize' or an equivalent, you're *definitely* not fixing your relationship." to you. page patashu=i also saw them online in another channel on IRC i was in, at that point i realized i was mispelling their name wrong so that's probably why I wasn't getting any responses You page, "i also saw them online in another channel on IRC i was in, at that point i realized i was mispelling their name wrong so that's probably why I wasn't getting any responses" to Patashu. Vahno yaaawn page patashu=no they went cold turkey. You page, "no they went cold turkey." to Patashu. page patashu=hmm You page, "hmm" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Because I can tell you what would happen right now if I put you in a room and mediated - you'd argue that actually you were in the right all along and Voksa is the aggressor for going cold turkey on you, Voksa would go 'okay, I was right about my assumptions of you, then' and leave, and nothing productive would be accomplished. That's why I haven't suggested it as a course of action yet. :P" to you. page patashu=I feel like i deserve a pretty big apology for leading me on like that for months and not saying anything. I also think it was incredibly rude to act all coy in the common chats and also being terrible to me and banishing me all because of some conspiracy theory. *hold on still typing* You page, "I feel like i deserve a pretty big apology for leading me on like that for months and not saying anything. I also think it was incredibly rude to act all coy in the common chats and also being terrible to me and banishing me all because of some conspiracy theory. *hold on still typing*" to Patashu. page patashu=Patashu I think our friendship is burned after what they did and I didn't actually know Voksa that well to warrent trying to save some kind of friendship. Also, I don't think it's a fair or even solvable challenge to argue with someone who is irrational, and this is the second time they've made some wild accusation about me You page, "Patashu I think our friendship is burned after what they did and I didn't actually know Voksa that well to warrent trying to save some kind of friendship. Also, I don't think it's a fair or even solvable challenge to argue with someone who is irrational, and this is the second time they've made some wild accusation about me" to Patashu. page patashu=what I want and what i think best is for us to clarify just what the h really happened to each other so there is no hard feelings You page, "what I want and what i think best is for us to clarify just what the h really happened to each other so there is no hard feelings" to Patashu. page patashu=and start anew nuetrally You page, "and start anew nuetrally" to Patashu. page patashu=not as friends because we weren't really friends just aquantances You page, "not as friends because we weren't really friends just aquantances" to Patashu. Somewhere on the muck, Myril has connected. Mako is becalled Patashu pages, "See, this is exactly what I've talking about. I've dealt with people who think like you before while moderating. Your first and only priority is defending your own feelings and beliefs while no one else's emotions and positions matter. You'll never apologize to someone first; you'll always demand an apology, and once it's given (if it is) give nothing in return. You treat being right on the internet as a zero sum game, where all the facts in your head are the true ones and your feelings are the one's who should be attended to because everyone else is obviously wrong. Socializing on the internet isn't a single player game; it's a multiplayer game. You have to give a little to receive a lot. You have to be willing to nurture and fix relationships when there's a dispute, not just bunker down and demand validation. And that's why you won't be able to repair your relationship with Voksa, unless you change your priorities as a person first. You'll be able to get along with people perfectly fine, until the first time there's a miscommunication or a difference in values, then you won't know what to do to fix the relationship because the entire time you only think about yourself and what you want and how to get it. You have to be willing to show fallibility - vulnerability - to hold other peoples' priorities before your own when it's the right time to - to be altruistic." to you. Mako has left. page patashu=but even if we never talk to each other again i'd like them to stop banishing me from places in the muck primarily. Even if they never want to talk to me again that doesn't really help in that situation that's just being spiteful and excluding people. Secondly i'd like them to not pretend like I don't exist in common chatrooms. That doesn't mean we have to talk or anything that just means if i wave or something to everybody or say something they don't pretend like that can't hear it You page, "but even if we never talk to each other again i'd like them to stop banishing me from places in the muck primarily. Even if they never want to talk to me again that doesn't really help in that situation that's just being spiteful and excluding people. Secondly i'd like them to not pretend like I don't exist in common chatrooms. That doesn't mean we have to talk or anything that just means if i wave or something to everybody or say something they don't pretend like that can't hear it" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "But that said - if you think the best you can get is 'Agris agrees to pretend Voksa doesn't exist. Voksa agrees to pretend Agris doesn't exist.' I'm happy to forward that as a proposal." to you. page patashu=no, that's not what's going on. there's a lot of stuff lost through the text only medium here. I am really hurt here too and this text-only medium is kinda of overwhelming for me. Can you please call me on the phone? my number is [REDACTED] You page, "no, that's not what's going on. there's a lot of stuff lost through the text only medium here. I am really hurt here too and this text-only medium is kinda of overwhelming for me. Can you please call me on the phone? my number is [REDACTED]" to Patashu. page patashu=no don't forward that You page, "no don't forward that" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Oh, don't worry, this is extremely stressful for me too :P Okay, I won't. I definitely can't talk on voice right now, sorry, I have company IRL." to you. page patashu=well hold on please You page, "well hold on please" to Patashu. page patashu=let me finish reading what your saying You page, "let me finish reading what your saying" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Sure." to you. Kamare swaps out for RP. Kamare teleports away. Kamare has left. 'Kamare has teleported in. 'Kamare has arrived. page patashu=no, your absolutely wrong with your assumption about me. The people who know me know that i am absolutely anything but selfish. You page, "no, your absolutely wrong with your assumption about me. The people who know me know that i am absolutely anything but selfish." to Patashu. page patashu=patashu i'm please call me You page, "patashu i'm please call me" to Patashu. page patashu=this text medium is very overwhelming for me especially with the irrelavent public posts You page, "this text medium is very overwhelming for me especially with the irrelavent public posts" to Patashu. page patashu=voksa never asked anything of me, so i don't know what they want You page, "voksa never asked anything of me, so i don't know what they want" to Patashu. page patashu=other than for me not to talk to them, so, i'm willing to honor that as much as it hurts me because i actually like them a lot and their writing You page, "other than for me not to talk to them, so, i'm willing to honor that as much as it hurts me because i actually like them a lot and their writing" to Patashu. page patashu=that's a pretty huge sacrafice on my part You page, "that's a pretty huge sacrafice on my part" to Patashu. page patashu=but if someone says "your a zoophile" and your most certainly not, how am i supposed to apologize for that? You page, "but if someone says "your a zoophile" and your most certainly not, how am i supposed to apologize for that?" to Patashu. Niny'ah has teleported in. Niny'ah has arrived. page patashu=this isn't a game to me You page, "this isn't a game to me" to Patashu. page patashu=this is about real people You page, "this is about real people" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "I'm not very comfortable in voice chats, sorry. (Also like I said, I'm about to be busy IRL so I wouldn't be able to multitask that anyway.) - Selfishness isn't some essentialist indictment of you as a person. It's not something fundamental to you or a stain you can never remove. It's a behaviour you engage in. Plus, it's not necessarily *selfishness*. There's a lot of ways you can fuck up a social interaction by making the wrong assumptions or not knowing what's going on. I know from personal experience - I've hurt people very badly by not understanding what's going on." to you. 'Kamare looks Niny'ah up and down as she comes back in, and lets out a slow, deliberate wolf-whistle. "Daaaaamn, Niny'ah, that looks *amazing*." page patashu= NO because your assuming all these things about me and your putting a time pressure on this You page, "NO because your assuming all these things about me and your putting a time pressure on this" to Patashu. page patashu=please, your making me cry, and i can't translate what i'm thinking fast enough into the keyboard You page, "please, your making me cry, and i can't translate what i'm thinking fast enough into the keyboard" to Patashu. page patashu=please give me a time your able to talk You page, "please give me a time your able to talk" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "There's no time pressure; I'll always be available in the future. I'm sorry I made you cry." to you. page patashu=you have no idea what it's like to have all these people make all these wild assumptions about you and put you in a box when they don't even know you, and all you can do is have your brain short circuit while you sit in front of a terminal because there's no other way to express yourself You page, "you have no idea what it's like to have all these people make all these wild assumptions about you and put you in a box when they don't even know you, and all you can do is have your brain short circuit while you sit in front of a terminal because there's no other way to express yourself" to Patashu. Niny'ah returns, 'wearing' a synth-remote of Chevesh's design page patashu=i want to talk to you. you said your busy but you have to have a time sometime in the future you can give me You page, "i want to talk to you. you said your busy but you have to have a time sometime in the future you can give me" to Patashu. Patashu has connected. page patashu=you gave me a big wall of text with a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings with no contextual sidechannels and I can't explain every single one point by point in text You page, "you gave me a big wall of text with a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings with no contextual sidechannels and I can't explain every single one point by point in text" to Patashu. Capricious-Proxy says, "Woah, pretty..." page patashu=please don't put me into a box, you don't even know me You page, "please don't put me into a box, you don't even know me" to Patashu. Niny'ah returns, 'wearing' a synth-remote of Chevesh's design (re for Pata) page patashu=please say something so i know you understand You page, "please say something so i know you understand" to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Sorry, going to be slow to respond for a bit - family Christmas lunch is happening now. Will read when I have a moment" to you. page patashu=i'm not demanding validation. You page, "i'm not demanding validation." to Patashu. page patashu=that's not what i'm trying to do You page, "that's not what i'm trying to do" to Patashu. page patashu=i'm just trying to protect myself, and i'm emotionally scared of voksa after all that's happened so that's why i'm defensive You page, "i'm just trying to protect myself, and i'm emotionally scared of voksa after all that's happened so that's why i'm defensive" to Patashu. page patashu=PATASHU listen to me very closely please. I'm just trying to fix whatever is going on. I'm very hurt by this. that's why i'm asking for help You page, "PATASHU listen to me very closely please. I'm just trying to fix whatever is going on. I'm very hurt by this. that's why i'm asking for help" to Patashu. page patashu=i'm asking asking you for accomodation, since i'm obviously failing so hard at this text medium You page, "i'm asking asking you for accomodation, since i'm obviously failing so hard at this text medium" to Patashu. page patashu=to get my point across You page, "to get my point across" to Patashu. Cari has teleported in. Cari has arrived. Amy has teleported in. Amy has arrived. 'Kamare waves to Cari and Amy. Capricious Proxy climbs out of the bowl to circle around Niny'ah! page patashu=I don't have a family. I aged out of being a ward of the state. I have abandonment issues. Please don't put me into some preconceptuized box with others. I never fit into those. I've always fallen into the cracks into the system, and if it wasn't for someone who helped me I wouldn't be where i am today You page, "I don't have a family. I aged out of being a ward of the state. I have abandonment issues. Please don't put me into some preconceptuized box with others. I never fit into those. I've always fallen into the cracks into the system, and if it wasn't for someone who helped me I wouldn't be where i am today" to Patashu. Capricious-Proxy says, "Oh, hi!" Moriar wriggles, puffing back up. Amy says, "Hey Kam" Cari checks to make sure everything is still there. "I swear I will never get used to teleportation...." Cari finger-waggles a greeting to people. Moriar waves a wing in greeting to Cari, the gryphons currently arranged in a bowl on the floor. page patashu=please message me or call when you can. I need to go cry a little and calm down. maybe that's not the right response to what's been going on but after all the silence and stonewalling it's the only thing i can do. You page, "please message me or call when you can. I need to go cry a little and calm down. maybe that's not the right response to what's been going on but after all the silence and stonewalling it's the only thing i can do." to Patashu. Patashu pages, "Did you get my last page?" to you. page patashu=which one? You page, "which one?" to Patashu. Vahno says, "Dang... maybe I should ask Chevy to make me something..." Patashu pages, "Sorry, going to be slow to respond for a bit - family Christmas lunch is happening now. Will read when I have a moment" to you. page patashu=yes. thankyou. i'm going to disconnect now You page, "yes. thankyou. i'm going to disconnect now" to Patashu.